the government stole her identity???

She's at it again!

Always ranting about birth certificates! Okay she and others are entitled to their opinions!

Here's the on line article...you may have to copy and paste into your browser.

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/15/being-adopted-allowed-state-to-steal-my-identity/?fbclid=IwAR3bb0vZfhHTxd83UoEA9zRxVQcvd5S-wIQ8GMIFcO0r55oUMNf33ZWqViw


Ruth and I have comments placed on the article. Here they are, just in case they 'disappear' from the article...

Gert Mcqueen
Oh for all the heavenly bodies! Can’t this woman and those like her just accept the LIFE they have and get ON WITH LIVING that life? She does this every November because it’s National Adoption Month! She does this every chance she gets because she HATES adoption. Her opinion and voice will NEVER remove ADOPTION from the human experiences.

There are MUCH more important injustices in the world, than a name change. WHY WHY WHY do they have to take up so much of their life-energy bitching about a NAME change. Oh I get it, I even UNDERSTAND IT, but this ‘battle’ doesn’t mean anything TO MANY others that have been adopted or SUPPORT adoption.

All her parents, birth and adopted, are NOW dead, so she can NAME them openly in print! How nice! Each revision of her ‘book’ contains lies about both families! How do I know? Because I found her when she was 18

and brought her BACK into the birth family; it didn’t have a happy ending! She has known who she IS since age 18, she legally changed her name, great! Now if she would just GET A LIFE and leave those who WISH to adopt alone, the world would be a better place!

Ruth Herr Sippel Pace
I think I understand, the need to know who we are -- but this woman has 'known' who she is since 1974 -- when she was 'reunited' with us, her birth siblings. She has had 44 years to reconcile her dual identity, and come to terms with who she is as an individual.

She feels she has two identities, no, she has two sets of names, her birth name, and her adopted name. She recently legally changed her name to the name my parents gave her at birth. Okay, fine, that's her right. But deep down, does change anything about her? The style of clothes she wears, the style of music she likes, her personality??

As far as I could see, her personality didn't change back in 1974, and I don't see it has changed since she 'reclaimed' her birth name. Her 'self' didn't change. That is a different thing altogether than working towards a better, more truthful birth certificate.

Gert Mcqueen
for sure it's self-flicted...she loves her pain

Ruth Herr Sippel Pace
to Tracy L. Hammond with all due respect: Baron just told you he is fine with who and what he is -- WHY do some adoptees feel the need to label adoptees such as he as misguided, when they say they are fine with their lives.

WHY do you say he bought into anything? HE says he is fine -- why can't you accept that?

NO WHERE is there any mention of a "societal mythology that if you weren't adopted you'd be: in a dumpster, living with a crack whore, dead, abused, in jail..."

WHY do some adoptees feel the need to tell others how 'uneducated' they are, and right away tell them they need to read this book, or that book?

Can't you just accept that some people (even some adoptees) might have done research, or perhaps they are content with their lives?

Baron Von Bacchus
to Ruth Herr Sippel Pace ....thank you...well said

Gert Mcqueen
to Baron Von Bacchus I adopted my son via step-parent adoption, he has never had any issues...the only one that did is the author of this disgusting article, she actually violated my parental rights by interfering with my minior children. There ARE real reasons for adoption and NOT everyone is suffering before they are adopted. Both Ruth and I KNOW the author quite well...she will NEVER change for she is totally in love with her pain of being an adoptee!

Baron Von Bacchus
to Gert Mcqueen I picked up on that pain thing....wholly unfortunate....oh well...everyone has their journey....

Gert Mcqueen
to Baron Von Bacchus the down side is that it is MY family that she lies about
(end of our comments)

But and as always when she gets resistance, from an article she has written, she enlists 'others' to help her against her nay-sayers...

Doris Michol Sippel  Please go to the comment section and comment! There are two ignorant comments on there from people who do not know the depth of this issue.

Right...just because someone has a different opinion they are 'ignorant'...she sounds like 'Trump'! And whom ever did 'comment' they were ineffectual!

In any event...this article, like her, are NOT any 'event'...it's just the same old, same old!

Another book by Joan/Doris…this time on abuse…how nice!

By chance, I came upon the following thread on Facebook. I’m not going to include ALL comments. My intent is to show the original post, a couple of back and forth between Joan/Doris and one whom she disagrees with (she always disagrees) and my own and Ruth’s comments. Also this is IMPORTANT because the 'torch' is being PASSED ON to Joan/Doris by Sandy...something that Joan/Doris has been wanting for a long time. But, she doesn't have the clean reputation that Sandy does! Joan considers herself a 'great' writer and champion for adoption reform. That is why she published three versions of lies against both her families!

Note also in the comments, what Brian Donahue says (I will bold them) as he is offering a valid point and Joan/Doris and Sandy REFUSE to acknowledge.

https://www.facebook.com/sandy.musser.10/posts/10156154904348520

November 11 at 7:27 PM Sandy Musser Dear Adoption Adoptee Friends:
Over the last several years, I’d noticed that many of the adoptees who have crossed my path, had suffered Rejection from both their Adoptive Parent(s) and their Natural Parent(s).
I remember thinking how difficult it would be to have rejection from both sides (whether it be one parent or both) so I began to ask some of them if they would be willing to share their stories. Within a short time several responded, and we got the ball rolling! But not too many months later, I began to have memory problems and eventually diagnosed with “mild cognitive/pre-dementia”. It made me very aware that It was time for me to cut back on my work.
I knew I wanted to call on someone who would be able to jump in and pick up where I had left off, and move forward with the project. I called on a close adoptee writer friend, who I’ve known since the late 70s/early 80s, to see if she would be willing. She said she’d be happy to do so, which took a big load off my shoulders.
We just chatted recently, and it should be wrapped up soon after the first of the year. I’m sharing this info with you now because we also discussed, and decided, that the issue is so important that it can (and should) become a series.If this fits your experience and is something you wish to share, please contact either one of us on Messenger — or even if you have questions. Thanks

Kelleen Carter Hey you finished it..can't wait to read it

Doris Michol Sippel Nope! We need 1 more contributor to make the 10th! We are looking for that ONE MORE PERSON! If we get 20 more contributors, we can make a series of books!

Brian Donahue I hope you will present points of views of differing experiences of adoptees. As you know, I fully understand and feel 100& it is best for children to be raised with their first parents, and if not, that they be placed with relatives or family friends. However when this can’t happen, the children need permanency which includes adoption. Many adoptees have had safe and nurturing environments growing up. I would hope that is explored in the anthology. Adoption is not the preferred option but for some individuals it was/is the only option.

Doris Michol Sippel Adoption should never be an option. And you should know why!

Brian Donahue to Doris Michol Sippel I disagree that adoption is never an option. If a child is not able to reside with the first parent, is not able to reside with relatives or family friends, I do think adoption is appropriate. A child is better off being with a family who can provide for the child as opposed to growing up in foster care. I go back to what I wrote, adoption should definitely not be the first option. The goal should be that the child should be able to reside with the first family with services put into place. However there are children who are not able to safely reside with first parent, relatives, nor family friends. When that is the case, it is better off the child grows up in a family environment who can offer the child permanency. There are many foster children, and adults who grew up in foster care, who would dispute strongly with what you say. I would listen to them more than someone who can only think in only one mindset.

Doris Michol Sippel to Brian Donahue By now, you ought to know that all adoptions result in the revocation, sealing, and replacing of an adoptee's birth certificate. That is NEVER an acceptable violation of an adoptee's civil and human rights. Kinship care, legal custodial guardianship are safe alternatives to adoption.

Brian Donahue to Doris Michol Sippel I agree that birth certificates should never be sealed. Anyone who knows me, Sandy can attest, I have spent much time and efforts in the movement of having open adoption and access to the original birth certificates. I think there should only be original birth certificates but that is different than saying adoption is wrong in each and every case. I would not make that blanket statements. I would also say that not ALL individuals have sealed birth certificates. In my state alone any child born and adopted from 10/1/83 to the present do not have sealed birth certificates. This is the case also in Rhode Island, Hawaii, and other states. Again there are individuals who would say that they would have wanted to be adopted. The two issues of access to original birth certificates and adoption are not necessarily two direct connected issues. There are adoptees who have access to their original birth certificates. These adoptees would deny they were abused and neglected by their adoptive parents. One can’t make a blanket statement and say it applies to all individuals.

Doris Michol Sippel to Brian Donahue You misunderstand. The point is not that adoptees have access to their sealed birth certificate, there should not be an amended birth certificate at all. Adoption does that. Anyway, this book is not about that issue. This book is about adoptees who have experienced rejection, and or abuse or any type, from either natural family at birth or growing up that resulted in the adoption, or from adoptive parents or extended family, or both families.

Brian Donahue to Doris Michol Sippel, I wrote above that I think that there should only be original birth certificates and not have them amended. I agree for the reasons you have outlined. I believe in that very much which is why I have advocated for organizations, faith groups, and for foster/adoptive parents to become active in the movement.

I would also agree with your last half of the paragraph abuse and neglect can occur in both adoptive and first family home environments. The public could learn about varying experiences. What does concern me is this is not explained on your personal Facebook page. You write something different there than what you write above in the second paragraph. On your page it appears the book will be about adoptees who were abused and neglected by their adoptive parents only. I think if you want others than first parents and abused and neglected adoptees to purchase the book when it is completed you may want to capture what you wrote above in the last paragraph. If your anthology explained that in the details, it would have a further outreach to others who would purchase the book in the hopes of learning something and resulting in policy being formed in the future to help bring out adoptees’ messages. One should have a fair balance.

Brian Donahue to Doris Michol Sippel if it is balanced it will bring respectability and genuineness to the book.

Sandy Musser to Brian Donahue
In response to several of your comments, I thought I’d jump in. I don’t think that I have to tell you, Brian, that when the average person hears the word “adoption”, or “adoptive parents”, their normal thought process, or verbiage, is “what wonderful people who take in those unwanted babies and children.” They are usually looked upon as Saints!

Many of us have been around for a long time and have come to learn —- it’s JUST NOT ALWAYS the case, nor is it reality! People are People. The word Adoptive Parent does not automatically make them better!! You mentioned “permanency”, which is almost always used when the discussion of adoption comes into play, but in reality we ALL KNOW that there is no such thing as PERMANENCY - because there are no Guarantees.

There can’t be ANY guarantees because in any family setting there may be alcoholism, drug abuse, mental illness, anger issues, etc. etc. If we’re truly honest with one another, people are just people. All different, with many foibles, and since that’s the bottom line. It is why I believe so strongly that . . CHILDREN, in my humble opinion, SHOULD ALWAYS REMAIN WITH SOMEONE IN THE EXTENDED FAMILY; when you consider it, would be no different than Open Adoption except they would be Genetically Related FAMILY! Very important for every child’s Well Being!

At this late date in my long journey, I’m fully convinced, and have been for some time, that closed, sealed, secret adoption must be ABOLISHED. It has created many more problems than it has solved, for many caught in its web! Permission is granted for anyone to copy and paste this post if it will open up others’ understanding. Sandy Musser

Doris Michol Sippel We have our 10th contributor! Tracy L. Hammond!!! That closes contributors for this first book, which I can get published by the end of December or very early January! If anyone else, or a bunch of people, want to to contribute to another volume, please do! As Sandy says, we can do a series!

Ruth Herr Sippel Pace to Sandy Musser says: "Over the last several years, I’d noticed that many of the adoptees who have crossed my path, had suffered Rejection from both their Adoptive Parent(s) and their Natural Parent(s)."

sometimes there is another side of a story -- how the 'rejection' (after a reunion) by the Natural 'collective family' sometimes comes about when the found-adoptee turns out to be an abusive person?

When a person comes into my life, and that person engages in anti-social behaviors, such as lying, manipulating people against each other to create strife, STEALING, harassment, STALKING (repeatedly calling a person's job with lies to get them fired), sending letters to a woman and telling that woman her husband got the next door neighbor pregnant (when the house was vacant); -- well that person gets booted OUT of my life. Even if that person IS related to me.

And if that person is an adoptee, and my booting them out of my life is considered 'rejection' -- well they need to suck it up and accept the consequences of their actions.

An adoptee's 'pain' is no excuse to abuse others and expect another person to roll over and accept that abuse. I'm sure this comment will be deleted, because sometimes people cannot or will not face the truth. -- but at least I try to get another perspective out there.

Ruth Herr Sippel Pace regarding my statement about adoptees dealing with rejection issues (from natural families and adoption families): I was speaking from my point of view of someone (me) who DID reject an adoptee -- post reunion. Because of HER behavior, not because she was an adoptee. Not all adoptees are in a reunion, or even have sabotaged their own reunion.

Again, I was speaking of only the dynamics involved in MY experience with a particular adoptee, I was not speaking of ALL reunions or adoptees.

The particular adoptee I was speaking of, Joan Mary Wheeler/Doris Michol Sippel WAS extremely abusive to me, and other members of both her adoptive and natural families. If she is experiencing feelings of rejection by people after they have gotten to know her or have been involved with her, instead of whining that "my birth sisters wanted me to behave a certain way," (quote from her book Forbidden Family), she needs to look in the mirror and see what she has done to make people from not only her adoptive and birth families, but friends, neighbors, acquaintainces, boyfriends, --- tell her to get lost and/or run the hell away from her.

The way we 'wanted' her to behave is how everyone expects other people to behave towards them: with respect, kindness, love. Not being lied to, stolen from, harassed, stalked, also helps in any relationship.

I should have made these points clearer. And I apologize for making this personal -- but just wanted to clear things up. -- An adoptee fb friend of mine told me yesterday -- "this is an abusive person problem, not an adoptee problem" -- and she is correct. I am only speaking out because this particular person is abusive, is an adoptee, and does not alway tell the complete story, and has in the past told other adoptees to go after me. 'shut her blog down' etc.I had many obscene comments placed on my blog by adoptees. And it seems strange to me that this abusive person is the one publishing this book. I apologize for lumping all adoptees into one category. I have contacts with other adoptees on facebook, and they certainly are not like this person.

Gert’s comment
I am one of several birth sibs to Doris M Sippel, adopted name Joan M Wheeler. Joan legally changed her name back to birth name a couple of years ago.

To many the party line is that adoption is evil and it should NEVER be used! I don’t believe that for one second! ABUSE happens to anyone by anyone! If Joan/Doris was abused it was from the adoptive parents/family! Abuse is ALSO a LEARNED BEHAVIOR. In my family we were NOT ABUSED, we did NOT LEARN ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR. Joan/Doris did NOT live in the same home environments (plural) that her sibs lived and that is WHY she had NO IDEA on how our social behaviors were, how we don’t TOLERATE abusive behaviors to us.

We, birth sibs, found her in 1974 when she was 18. Over time it was Joan herself that ABUSED each and every birth family member, including our father. Over decades each and every family turned their backs on her, including our father when she FIRST published the lies about our family in 2009 because of her insults and lies! Our father REMOVED HER as a child of his on his obit because of that FIRST publication.  Joan/Doris broke the contract with the first publisher that ‘all’ was true, but once the publisher SAW documents, from the family, they terminated publishing that lying book! Years later Joan/Doris created Identity Press and RE-PUBLISHED the same book, with more lies, TWICE MORE. And now she’ll do it again with this attempt.

Joan has a ‘hard on’ against adoption and she MAKES UP STORIES to prove her assertions that adoption is an evil! Believe me the birth family KNOWS her quite well and have been the target of her abuse since 1974!

I know about foster care and know the value of adoption in many cases but leaving facts of how the birth family was devastated and sibs placed out, etc etc, when our mother died and the reason WHY Joan was placed into adoption, for another time…

I myself ADOPTED my own child via step-parent adoption. But Joan, in her 20ish wisdom, deemed me to be an unfit mother for ‘giving away my child’ (on paper) and adopting him giving him a FALSE IDENTITY. She furthered this with alienating my minor children from me, behind my back, VIOLATING my parental rights. Then sued me in Family Court wanting to take custody, she failed the home study. I had to place my child into a PIN circumstance to protect her…but Joan wrote that my children ‘were taken away from me’…WRONG, I placed my daughter in a PIN for protection AWAY from Joan! She said that the reason why my daughter was NOT adopted was because of abuse by my husband…WRONG. It was both my children’s  CHOICE to be or not be adopted, they were over the age of 14 and HAD TO GIVE THEIR OWN PERMISSION. Plus my family had gone through a very extensive BACKGROUND check…but none of that was good by Joan’s standards…she hates adoption, period! The overall effects of Joan’s abuse to me and my family ripped my family apart. She lies, in print, that I sexually assaulted her and made her smoke pot and that my daughter was sexually abused by my husband and son! All wrong!

I am close to 72 years old and amongst things I just finished a 200 hour (9 month course) for yoga teacher certification! I have a very active wide life. My partner, age 78, JUST finished radiation treatment for prostate cancer!  LIFE IS TOO DAMM SHORT to waste on a crazy mentally ill (documented by herself) narcissistic socio-path that wants to spend her entire life fighting others who DARE to adopt and love and care for children!

You will NEVER stop the institution of adoption and will NEVER ‘teach’ others by your tactics of brow-beating and hate-mongering. I’m seen far too much since 2009 when Joan first published lies about the birth family after we all dealt with her abuse since 1974 and we have tried to get her out of our lives! But because she’s a crazy she keeps coming back and back and back with more outrageous lies about the ABUSE SHE GOT. HAVE AT IT! See where all this gets you when you are on your DEATH BED ALL ALONE.
End of thread…

Gert again... According to Joan/Doris ‘dead people can’t sue and neither can their heirs’. Conveniently all the parents are DEAD and well who has $10,000 to sue? So now she can say whatever she wants about dead people and continue on with lying and destroying people’s lives and reputations.

She NEVER LIVED in Liverpool England

What a fool she is, always trying to impress people, with her lying!

Today, June 25, 2018, Joan/Doris said this...

Nice to see Paul in Liverpool! I lived there for a short time in 1976 and again in 1979.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

She VISITED there, she NEVER lived there. A VISIT DOES NOT EQUAL TO LIVING THERE

I VISITED several places in England, including Liverpool but I NEVER LIVED IN ANY OF THOSE PLACES.

I'm sure anyone who has ever VISITED someplace will agree that a VISIT is NOT the same thing as LIVING SOMEPLACE.

If she LIVED in Liverpool she would have NEEDED a vista and an ADDRESS of residency.

She's a fucking idiot!

Broken? because of separation anxiety???

Yes, there is a lot that is broken in the world today; most that is broken will never be fixed! We don’t live in a utopia. Humans have, and will continue to have, many problems that they have to live with, overcome, ignore…somehow, or they will always be broken. Some make it, some don’t!

There is no ‘one size/answer’ that will fit or fix all.

If you think you are broken then NOTHING WILL HELP YOU!

You are a doomed unit. If every waking moment of your life is filled with doom and gloom ERUPTING at every broken thing in the world you might has well just give it all up! But wait…

many use the doom and gloom and the triggers as a MEANS of staying alive and saying that I’m still alive! These types are NOT happy unless they are BROKEN. They love their BROKENNESS and look for opportunities to stay in touch with their BROKENNESS.

Your mind is your best friend or your worst enemy…it’s up to you how you use your mind.

Found the following, by legitmatebastard, who is Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel,
and who can’t or won’t TURN OFF her BROKENNESS.

https://theadoptedones.wordpress.com/2018/06/23/broken/

I present my commentary first (not placed on that blog post) and then Joan’s (which is on that blog post) after mine.

Sure, this immigration policy sucks! It’s wrong! But to internalize it and make it YOUR’S is also wrong!

Joan/Doris is guilty of sucking up tax-payers dollars with Medicaid paid mental health therapy for DECADES. She NEVER gets better because she looks for and feeds off of every trigger she can find. Why aren’t people outraged at that? She uses PTSD and therapy as a life-style!

I sure hope that the ‘job’ she has is known to Social Services Disability! And that her check is deducted accordingly for the $$$ she is earning! Are the Social Services Police agencies checking on her status? Sure hope so for she’s a drain on the Federal Budget!

She and others like her believe they are the only ones to EVER have suffered from any kind of separation anxiety!

I was separated from my mother via death and later from my father, because of several broken family circumstances. I lived in a foster home! I was separated from my siblings! And yes I suffered from separation anxiety issues as well! But dammit those events do NOT run my life.

Joan/Doris didn’t give a thought to how she was causing ‘separation anxiety’ between me and my minor children, when she decided that they NEEDED to be removed from me, because she BELIEVED that I was an unfit mother! Why?? Because I was adopting! She didn’t care how MY children felt, then or now, about how SHE destroyed our family unit and my children’s lives. She NEVER thinks about how she caused SEPARATION ANXIETY to my children!

Joan/Doris didn’t give any thoughts about how she was causing ‘separation anxiety’ between herself and her children when she routinely IGNORED them to write her fucking lying book! Or when she screamed at them for being little kids, or when she screamed at their father for being a lousy father/husband! Both Joan’s children have had NOTHING to do with her for decades!

Joan hasn’t a thread of authenticity to comment on ANYTHING. She is a broken sick person, by her own admission. Joan is a walking SEPARATION ANXIETY POST CHILD and she LOVES it.

So if she wants to stay sick STAY sick and let every trigger get to her.
Hope she NEVER has a minute of peace!

But…if she wants peace, then she NEEDS to stop thinking she is BROKEN and turn that process around. Get a life! Find a life! ...End

Joan’s
legitimatebastard  June 24, 2018 at 3:10 am
I’ve been having nightmares, crying at odd times – while driving or doing chores, and feeling anxiety all the time. It’s the constant feeling of re-living my own loses as that infant who lost her entire family, coupled with seeing or hearing the cries of the children being separated now. I’m triggered back to a space I’d rather not be. Sure, we can write our blogs, work on activism, reflect one our own lives as adoptees, yet, for me, that stuff doesn’t effect my day to day life as this new, immigrant separation news does. I brought this to my therapist’s attention. We both know I’m back into PTSD reactions.
I feel so sad for these children, and for their parents. And then I just get numb. Can’t do anything about it all, then I shut down.
I hate it all.
Sometimes, when I think my life is normal, that I have a normal day at work, for example, I come home to realize, no, no, what happened to me is not normal. It is not normal to be separated from your family at infancy to be raised with a new name and family. It’s not normal what these children and parents are going through. This is a mess.
End of her statement. 

End of post

A new Facebook page and new blog, by our favorite struggling adoptee!

Yes, Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel is STILL struggling with her identity!

She’s attempted to get submissions from other adoptees to publish another book, under Identity Press, but she hasn’t gotten any, so she came up with yet another brain-storm.

As of March 2018, she has a new Facebook page and in April 2018 she has a new blog!

She obviously thinks that she, and she alone, can change the face of adoption, with the goal of its elimination, on the backs of her lies against two families (birth and adopted).  And she’s conned yet another organization for her use… Sewing Souls Studios (356 S. Elmwood Ave., Buffalo, NY). Bet they don’t know about the contents in her book she self-published!

As stated below, Joan/Doris

‘presented the first Adoptees Identity Workshop in 2016 during the two-month long process of legally re-claiming the name given to her at birth’…

Wow…she really does NEED to tell the WORLD about her struggle!

And she does this under, her own words here, to ‘promote public awareness of adoption and to motivate change’! Wow!! I can see the entire world eliminating the institutions of adoption, with these workshops! NOT.

So let’s take a look see on how she plans to make these great changes …

Welcome to Adoptees’ Identity Workshops
ADOPTEES’ IDENTITY WORKSHOP·THURSDAY, MARCH 22, 2018
The first Adoptees Identity Workshop was held in 2016. The goals are: 1 - to increase awareness of the role of identity theft in adoption. 2- to change public opinion. 3 - to promote adoptee access to sealed records. 4 – to take action against discriminatory laws that annul and replace birth certificates of every adoptee

About
Participants are guided in a paired-partner roll-play to learn how adoption changes adoptees’ identities. Discussion and refreshments follows.

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop  March 22 at 10:22pm ·
Thank you to all who have Liked this page so far! The invites also include members of my adoptive family - and I do want to say that while we grieve the loss of our dear cousin (and father and uncle), I hope you know Ed supported me. I know my adoptive family may be confused, I hope you are not hurt. In reclaiming my name, I am not disowning my family - families. Love to all! Thank you!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE  Saturday, March 24, 2018
CONTACT: Doris Michol Sippel, Adoptees’ Identity Workshop Organizer, 716-713-39874, dorismicholsippel@gmail.com

Community Gathers To Learn About the Stolen Civil Rights of Adopted People

BUFFALO, NY – Buffalo will host its second Adoptees’ Identity Workshop, SATURDAY, March 24 at 2:00 p.m. inside Sewing Souls Studios (356 S. Elmwood Ave., Buffalo, NY). In this experiential workshop developed and led by adoptee Doris Michol Sippel, participants will be guided in a paired-partner roll-play to learn how adoption changes adoptees’ identities. After the roll-play, Ms. Sippel will present her own revoked and sealed birth certificate and its replacement issued upon her adoption. A brief description of pending New York State legislation for adoptees’ access to revoked and sealed birth records will be presented. A brief Q & A will conclude the session.

Refreshments will be served. $10 donation to cover supplies. The workshop/discussion group is open to all, both adopted and not-adopted people are welcome.

The goal of this workshop is to demonstrate that adoption strips away identity civil rights of adoptees by replacing birth certificates and by preventing adoptees from accessing the sealed record of birth. In New York State, revoked and sealed and replaced records became law in 1935 as a means of hiding illegitimacy. Today, even though the stigma of illegitimacy is lessened somewhat, newborn adoptions are still prevalent. However, many adoptions today involve older children out of foster care or children adopted by a step-parent. Some adoptees are half or full orphans.

Doris Michol Sippel, author of her memoir, Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity, presented the first Adoptees Identity Workshop in 2016 during the two-month long process of legally re-claiming the name given to her at birth. “I re-claimed my name, but my birth certificate is still locked up. There is no reason why I should be prevented from full civil rights restoration to my actual medical record of birth. When I was born in 1956, I had a name, two parents, and a home,” says Doris Sippel. “Three months after my birth, my mother died. My father was given no supports, no alternatives, adoption was his only choice. In exchange for a new home, New York State automatically revoked and sealed my birth certificate, gave me a new name, new parents, and a new birth certificate. That is the key detail most people don’t realize when they think about adoption. Adoption is not about providing a new home to a child in need (kinship care and guardianship can do that); adoption requires the adopted person to become someone else. The law forbids adopted people access to the document that proves we were born. This is a civil rights violation and discrimination against all people who are adopted.”

With critical legislation currently in debate in Albany, Doris Michol Sippel launched the new Adoptees Identity Workshop to promote public awareness of adoption and to motivate change.

Comments…
Jo Swanson…I can't be there, but feel free to use any memes or quotations from my Adoptee Civil Rights Resource Center page if they can be of use to you.

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop Thank you! I know most of my friends won't be able to make it! Most live so very far away!

Jay Gilpatrick … Seems to me that if the biological parents and adopted children all want to meet sometime there should be a way to legally make that happen

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop We've been working on this since 1953! A lot of history here! However, searching and reunion are separate from revoking and sealing then replacing birth certificates. Come to the workshop to find out! I'm limping, but walking now - sometimes using the cane... We do have to get together!

Jay Gilpatrick … Glad you're feeling better Doris. We're planning to be at the March for your Lives at Niagara Square tomorrow at 1:30. Sorry I didn't get back to you last night. I went to sleep. Hoping and praying that limp goes away too. Can we meet up another time?

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop Jay Gilpatrick Yes. I will be hosting the same workshop next month!

Jennifer Sarro…Kudos on the workshop! As a small point of legal history: OBCs of adoptees were sealed in New York in 1936, not 1935 as is frequently, erroneously stated - even by legislators (for verification, please consult McKinney's Consolidated Laws of New York, Public Health Law §4138). The court records were sealed in 1938. As an advocate for adoptee rights, I hope to come across as well informed as possible; inaccuracy about one fact might create the impression I am mistaken about other aspects of this issue. Please spread the word!

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop Thank you for that clarification! That must mean the bill was signed in 1935 and became law the following year. I will make that correction in my articles as well!

Jennifer Sarro… I appreciate your interest in the subject! So here's the scoop: 1935 was notorious as the year a variety of the so-called "Holley Bills" were introduced, but it wasn't the year the bill sealing the birth certs of adoptees was introduced, passed, or signed into law. Following receipt of a 1936 committee report recommending a uniform manner of issuing birth certificates which would not indicate the circumstances of birth, legislators drafted another bill. That bill, which ultimately DID seal adoptee birth certs, was introduced into the Assembly by Holley on April 23, 1936, where it passed on May 11, 1936. The following day it passed the Senate, and was subsequently signed into law by Governor Lehman.

Adoptees’ Identity Workshop Jennifer Sarro Where can I obtain copies of this? I would like to update my online articles in which I address this.

AND…then this ANNOUCEMENT
Adoptees’ Identity Workshop
April 17 at 11:19pm ·
We have a new website for people who are not on Facebook! https://adopteesidentity.wordpress.com/

BUT she HAD TO CANCEL
Sewing Souls Studios
April 21 at 1:11pm · Buffalo, NY ·
We are cancelling due to illness. Thank u for yur understanding.

Doris Michol Sippel
April 21 at 10:47am ·
I am sad to cancel today's Adoptees' Identity Workshop due to illness. I will post info on next months' event soon. https://www.facebook.com/events/240019009908686/

End…for now…more later!

Is family preservation the solution? Does it work in ALL cases?

Well some adoption activists think family preservation is the ONLY WAY!  They don’t want to CONSIDER that their suggestions are NOT applicable to all. Then they resort to belittling the efforts of others who are TRYING to care of those children in the world that NEED AND WANT A FAMILY…via ADOPTION!

I have NEVER had anything to do with Mirah. I’ve known that she and Joan/Doris are ‘on the same page’, as many of those anti adoption people are…but…NOT until Mirah stuck her nose INTO my business did I pay attention to her. That is why when it is appropriate I WILL comment on her comments.

In March 2018 I saw news article in which Mirah Riben commented on; she is an antiadoption activist. I commented on it.

Around April 20th 2018 I noted that our two comments were no longer on the news article. Good thing I kept copies of both our comments, for I feel that they DESERVE to be seen MORE. The article and the two comments speak for themselves.


http://www.dothaneagle.com/enterprise_ledger/news/kansas-man-walks-through-wiregrass-across-country-for-foster-parents/article_cce91f40-2602-11e8-b5a6-c345be8fc18f.html?fb_action_ids=10213241389567223&fb_action_types=og.comments

Mirah Riben commented March 12, 2018

This is a noble and very well-intentioned attempt act and adoption helps many children in need. BUT....

Foster care is notoriously high risk and adoption - as exemplified by Mr. Koster's own experience, is also not a guarantee of a life free of abuse.

These are not the only solutions. Adoption, even when the adopters are good, caring, loving people is a solution that gives with one hand and takes with the other. It takes away a person's true identity and replaces it with a false one that states that he or she was "born to" his or her adoptive parents. This is a harsh and unnecessary price to pay for care. It takes away their heritage, erases culture, obliterates kinship ties, genealogy and vital family medical history. These are all powerful losses that have great negative impact on the lives of adopted persons and can endanger their offspring.

Why not walk instead to raise awareness of family preservation? To helping struggling families find the resources and support they need to remain intact - with assistance to do it safely for their children? Many states have found fostering mothers and their babies more cost effective with far higher success rates.

Why not walk to help find extended family for children whose parents are unable to unwilling to provide safe care? Walk to help provide funding for grandparents - aunts and uncles - to help raise their kin in need instead of placing children with strangers?
I hope that Mr. Kosters would consider these alternatives to adoption and foster care. A child in need should to have to sacrifice a life of not knowing his truth to be cared for properly and safely. It is not necessary nor in anyone's best interest to have their rights as protected under the 14th amendment taken form them without their consent and to be treated forever after as a second-class citizen with no right - in most states - to their own original, true, legitimate and accurate vital record of their birth.
Mirah Riben, Author, THE STORK MARKET: America's Multi-Billion Dollar Unregulated Adoption Industry

Gert McQueen commented March 13, 2018

Family preservation does NOT work in all cases. And actually it many cases having others ‘stick their noses in another’s life’ can cause more REAL long lasting damage! Think about that! How would YOU feel if someone (family or not) came into YOUR family/life and TOLD you how to raise your children? Or to ‘preserve’ YOUR family we will split your children up and we will raise that child but NOT the other child!
It happen to my family!

And what about step-parent adoptions? Blended families work IF others keep their noses out of it! A family member who didn’t like the fact that I was adopting my own children VIOLATED my parental rights and INTERFERED with my minor children!
It happen to me!

Mirah says… To helping struggling families find the resources and support they need to remain intact - with assistance to do it safely for their children? Many states have found fostering mothers and their babies more cost effective with far higher success rates.
To which I ask…Why NOT show us the REAL facts instead of just a statement? How many struggling families are actually REACHED and HELPED in the long term! Mirah and others like her are only interested in the so-called ‘false identity’ of adoption birth certificates. They are NOT out there doing the REAL nasty work of doing/caring for others that they tell everyone who is PRO-ADOPTION to do…namely get out there and TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE.

I would like to see more reports from these anti-adoption people about the REAL LIFE work they are doing to HELP people. What families have THEY helped? How have THEY helped them? Are they doing the grocery shopping, the babysitting, the care of the sick, the housecleaning and more?

Mirah and the others will NOT tell us or show us, because these people are NOT out there dealing with REAL PEOPLE AND THEIR REAL PROBLEMS. Instead they are on their computers fighting and arguing with GOOD people that are out there DEALING with the struggles of taking care of people in their families. Real people who just want to be LEFT ALONE to make their OWN DECISIONS about their families.

Utopian views that ANY person/agency CAN teach another to do anything BETTER are just as naïve and useless as wings on a pig! You cannot make any one do something they are either incapable of doing or just plain don’t want to. PEOPLE are imperfect creatures. Real world people have real world personalities and limitations. Real world people DON’T want to learn how to be better, in many cases they WANT to stay the way they are!

I know quite a bit about CASA, which does great work, but they are limited with the same limits that exists with ALL social services agencies and people; there are no laws or helps that will MAKE PERFECT PEOPLE.

Btw Mirah was it really worth it! Stop the BUTS…allow people to live their own lives and BUT out!

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Not accepting the past for what it was and then MOVING ON!

There are grave mistakes made when people attach today’s thought-patterns, physical items or their own misguided notions, ONTO the past when such items/thoughts and personal views didn’t exist. Joan/Doris and other anti-adoption activists do it all the time. They just don’t ACCEPT reality, past or present, and they keep trying to figure out why they were adopted. What a waste of the life they have NOW.

Continuing on with a comment of Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel in a thread about Catholic priests on her FB page March 23, 2018 9:50pm

see Ruth's post here as well...

http://ladymoondancersrealm.blogspot.com/2018/04/a-tale-of-woe-of-horrible-adoption-joan.html


Joan/Doris’s full comment will appear, here in this post, after my analysis. But, first this IMPORTANT OBSERVATION! I do believe that Joan/Doris made a major typo error, she never checks what she writes and so, as you will see in her comment, she states ‘that the priest did say’ when she MEANT TO SAY ‘did not’. That certainly CHANGES the meaning of her sentence! She also has her ‘story’ down pat, it happened just as she says it did and NO amount of evidence contrary to that will be accepted by her.

Joan/Doris answers…‘I do believe that the parish priest at the time of my mother's death was really thinking of just what he said to my father, that the baby needs two parents.’

Gert’s comment…NOW, this is something that she might have heard from both her adoptive parents and our father. It’s a typical way for parents to explain things AND to prevent further hurting the feelings of the adopted person. The adoptive parents would have explained adoption to her that way and so would have my father as well. But…that doesn’t equal to what Joan/Doris SAYS happened! FACT is that there was NO priest at my mother’s wake or funeral that would have said such things to my father. This is all just DRAMA coming from Joan/Doris!  My father would have sought advice from his priest like many do, but ultimately HE made the decision BEFORE and AFTER his wife’s death regardless what a priest said. The truth is; both my mother and father KNEW she was dying and they MADE the decision for him to REMARRY to PROVIDE a combined home for 7 children. Unfortunately, the second wife REFUSED to take the infant (Joan/Doris) and that, and only that, was the reason for Joan/Doris being put into adoption!  And yes, there were distant relatives that acted as ‘referral agents’ for the adoptive parents to my father…but NOT at my mother’s wake or funeral! Again, the way Joan/Doris tells it is just her DRAMATIC way of getting constant ATTENTION AND SYMPATHY.

Joan/Doris answers…‘No one knew what to do during my mother's cancer illness, my premature birth, and mother's slow lingering death three months later.’

Gert’s comment…Good gods! Does she really think that NO ONE had any brains or knew how to care for children? Mom was in the hospital BEFORE Joan/Doris’ birth and stayed there until her death. Dad WORKED! Our grandparents TOOK CARE of us four young children! When the infant was released from the hospital she was in the physical care of maternal relatives. During the dramatic ‘slow lingering death’ my parents MADE DECISIONS and my father made plans to REMARRY, a marriage of convenience for both of them and 7 children; the adults KNEW what to do. When the second wife refused the infant is WHEN the decision to place the infant into adoption was made. Mom died in March, by June my father remarried, and the work of doing the adoption was in play. EVERYONE knew what to do…only Joan/Doris doesn’t want to believe it. She WANTS it to be the blame of the Catholic priest, so she can continue to justify her hatred for the Catholic religion!

Joan/Doris answers…‘But I do get angry that the priest did say, "How can I help you keep your family together?"’

Gert’s comment…Here’s where her typo is; should be did not. So she’s angry! What’s new? She’s constantly angry that’s all she knows is anger! Hey the priest’s job is NOT keeping the family together! All they CARE about is getting a baby baptized! I was pregnant BEFORE marriage and the priest told me I DID NOT have to keep the baby, because my husband was NOT Catholic, and that I could GIVE THE BABY UP TO ADOPTION. We said NO!

Joan/Doris answers…‘You know, food baskets, baby clothes,diapers, church volunteers? I just can't understand why that was not arranged.'

Gert’s comment…Here are examples of TODAY’S thoughts, ideas and items that WERE not in constant supply in 1956. Food baskets; they probably were not called that but that type of thing was more known as ‘bringing a covered dish’ and it was only used for a very short period of time, at a death or illness. It was NOT used on a routine basis to sustain a family with many small children. Baby clothes were ONLY given at ‘showers’ or within families. Diapers??!! Hey at that time they were CLOTH and were WASHED at home by the parents! Even when I had my children in 1965/66, DISPOSABLE diapers were NOT THE NORM. Church volunteers??!!! Again that depends on whether or not a family had maintained a ‘active relationship’ within a given church’s activities. To the best of my understanding my parents were TOO BUSY raising children and going to work to support them. Joan/Doris’s views of what happens in today’s world, IF one is active in a church ‘fellowship’, is far different from what actually happened in 1956. She needs to change her ‘understanding’ and rid herself of her anger.

Joan/Doris answers…‘THAT was the sinister part. While I did love my adoptive parents, how it was arranged is upsetting to me.

Gert’s comment…It’s only ‘sinister’ because Joan/Doris thinks it is! Nothing about adoption is normal in her mind!

Now here is Joan/Doris’ full comment after she is asked by Mary Payne…Was this the same priest who leaned on your birth father to relinquish you after your mother died?

NO! Good question, though. I do believe that the parish priest at the time of my mother's death was really thinking of just what he said to my father, that the baby needs two parents. He was worried that my father couldn't look after me because he had to be at work. No mention of who would be watching the other 4 children, but my father got married three months after my mother died. ...I don't think there was any malice intended by the priest who talked my father into giving me up, only misguided advice. And certainly not the baby-brokering in other situations. No one knew what to do during my mother's cancer illness, my premature birth, and mother's slow lingering death three months later. But I do get angry that the priest did say, "How can I help you keep your family together?" You know, food baskets, baby clothes,diapers, church volunteers? I just can't understand why that was not arranged. Adoption was the easy way out...AND, a woman came up to my father at my mother's funeral minutes after the priest. She said, "I know someone who will take your baby." She procured the baby - me - for her older brother and his wife to adopt. THAT was the sinister part. While I did love my adoptive parents, how it was arranged is upsetting to me.

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yet another lie by Joan/Doris

I just left this comment on the following

http://ladymoondancersrealm.blogspot.com/2018/04/antoher-nonsense-statement-lie-from.html

Obviously to anyone who REALLY knows Joan/Doris and the TRUTH of our family, Joan/Doris is putting her own spin on things…again! reason? Because she needs attention and sympathy.

She says at the beginning of her post…‘Ok, I can somewhat talk about this now, after a few anxiety-filled days.’ First, every day in her life is ANXIETY FILLED! But...March is always a bad month for her (adoptive mother died March 11 and natural mother died March 28). So here she starts by laying the ground work for ATTENTION AND SYMPATHY. She’s playing to a selective group, fellow adoptees who believe her version without question.

She says at the end of her post… ‘Just one more reason why I am an ethical atheist.’ Joan/Doris is not ethical in anything! For her to continue to spread lies about our mother and father to promote her HATRED of adoption is certainly NOT ethical, by any MORAL philosophy. Truth is Joan/Doris has NO moral compass.

She says…’Oh, and the story gets even better! When I first met my father in 1974 (Senior year of high school), he showed me my natural mother's high school diploma. Yup, Signed by Joseph Schieder, circa 1942. He was a fledgling priest back then.’

Joan/Doris KNOWS how to bait people into listening to her and then she tugs on the line to maintain their attention…that’s the meaning of ‘oh, and the story gets better!’ Her selective closed audience already KNOWS her story and NOW Joan/Doris CAN add another juicy sex scandal on to things!

NOTE, she says ‘he showed me my natural mother's high school diploma’…that means that she DOES NOT have the document and that gives her opportunity to PRESENT whatever spin on it that she wants! NOTE that she states ‘circa 1942’…that indicates that she is GUESSING at the date, attempting to make her story ‘presentable’ and ‘believable’ to people who have NO REASON to doubt what she says. But she can’t prove her statement can she? For there WAS NO high school diploma for our mother because she NEVER GRADUATED. Joan/Doris is using the date of 1942 with the ‘assumption’ that in that year mother would have been 17, the general age that one would graduation from high school! But AGAIN, she didn’t graduate in 42 or any other year. And she HAD to make sure to cover that the priest in question was ‘fledgling priest back then’ to make her story feasible.

I DEMAND proof from Joan/Doris of her accusations.

She struggles because she lies!

Lying is her life long struggle!

She was born Doris M Sippel. She is/was my sister, upon the death of our mother, she was placed into adoption by our father. Her adopted name is Joan M Wheeler. In 2016 she legally changed her name back to her birth name. The picture is her, the statement is about her actions. That much is true!

After many years of exposing her lies, within these books and setting the records, correct, we family members, have, as of Feb 2018, closed and archived those blogs. But, we also know that we needed an avenue to continue to set the record correct whenever she (Joan/Doris) tells falsehoods about ourselves and our parents. 

The following are the three books she wrote against family. They are hate manifestos against birth and adoptive families, because she hates adoption. They are works of fiction; a fiction that she created to 'get back' at families. 

Forbidden Family; a Half Orphan's Account of her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism, was published by Trafford Publications in 2009, pulled by them in May of 2013 due to breach of contract with the author. She stated in their contract that all was 'truthful' , but after the publisher received documents and evidences from family members, the lawyers dropped her book. 

Forbidden Family: My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption was self-published with help from Michael Allen Potter as editor, in 2015.

Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman's Struggle for Identity was again self-published but this time without the help of the former editor, in 2016.

These are true facts!